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Post by Nick Pionessa on Sept 22, 2010 11:04:52 GMT -5
good question Dave. the MOW tips are a level tip but the difference is they are made up of a floating section attached to a sinking section of various lengths. the idea is for spey casting to have the whole tip remain the same length and only change the ratio of floating to sinking parts. i.e. a 5'floating part with a 5' sinking part or 7.5/2.5 either way. the more sink part the farther it gets down. it makes casting more consistent if the tip stays the same length. well in theory anyway.
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Post by SteveKowalski on Sept 22, 2010 11:21:19 GMT -5
Yeah, what Nick said Keeping the same length tip off the end of a skagit head. AND I think the second point of them was, in the shorter sinking length tips the advantage is fishing around boulders, you don't have the full 10 ft below water snagging up on the rocks, just the short sinking portion. as well as fishing shallower runs where you don't want 10 ft of sinking tip. I read that somewhere from from Big Ed. Steve By the way, BEAUTIFUL little skipper there Nick. They are always the most amazing clean little balls of energy. I always worry that they will F'themselves up as they spaz out when you get them in close. Shouldn't you be in bed, still? Don't pull your stiches and have to do it again (leave some fish for us )
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Post by davedobrzynski on Sept 22, 2010 11:52:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I may give the MOW tips a try.
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Post by Ed Warren on Sept 22, 2010 12:19:20 GMT -5
Thanks Nick!... A few more questions for you. Can I use a 10lb. 9' fluorocarbon leader and 4' of 10lb tippet for low and clear conditions? If i don't put weight on the leader and use a weighted fly,will it cause the line to belly? Or would i be better off adding weight to the leader?
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Post by Nick Pionessa on Sept 22, 2010 13:42:54 GMT -5
i would rather use a weighted fly than shot with that rig but it's totally personal preference, both will work just fine. even if the fly is weighted you may need to adjust with shot or tungsten putty to get the right depth anytime.
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Post by doublenickel on Sept 22, 2010 15:04:12 GMT -5
I have a set of the T-11 MOW tips, and I had many occasions during the summer months to experiment with them in some clear water. The following is nothing more than my opinion. It pretty much echoes what I’ve read about them thus far: They should excel in pocket-type water and deep slots. In other words, the “swing profile” is such that the tip will sink the fly fast until it comes under tension; at which point, the fly begins to rise in the water column due to the floating portion of the tip. This of course varies depending upon which tip you select and the type of fly. Nevertheless, this “swing profile” should be advantageous if you’re fishing a deep slot or run that shallows-out quickly near the shore. Where 10’ or 12’ of T-14 or T-11 would certainly get the fly down in the gut of the run, your fly is sure to snag bottom as it swings towards the much shallower shore. As Nick pointed out in his original post, if the fly hits bottom before it reaches the hang-down, any fish that might have been following will likely be turned off. This is a situation where I can see the MOW tips paying dividends. Conversely, if you encounter a run that has a reasonably consistent depth across the width of the creek, I would think 10’ – 15’ of intermediate, T-8, T-11, or T-14 would be a better choice. Get the fly down to fishing depth, and keep it there throughout the majority of the swing. At the end of the day, the MOW tips seem to be yet another weapon in my already over-stuffed arsenal. They are certainly NOT the end-all-be-all. I suppose we’ll know more after a solid season of fishing with them.
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Post by Vince Tobia on Sept 22, 2010 16:52:00 GMT -5
great idea Nick (this article) and well written too!
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Post by Nick Pionessa on Sept 22, 2010 18:07:30 GMT -5
DN you may be onto something with the MOW system getting down quick due to it's density but then raising in the swing due to it's shorter length. tinman on here did a bunch of research on the water recently and found that the short sink tips did not stay way down late in the swing. correct me if im wrong TM. i have never used anything less than 5' so i don't know at all.
one point i missed making in the original post was that i make my cast as tight to the far bank as possible. i think this makes a big difference in success in a pool with a deep side and high bank. the fish may be lying undisturbed 3' from the bank and it may also be the deepest part of the run. it may also allow for a fly move as you make the initial mend.
great thread and as always i learn something too.
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Post by B.Ingersoll on Sept 22, 2010 19:55:37 GMT -5
Yea, thats pretty much it Nick,
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Post by lilsocker215 on Sept 24, 2010 15:45:43 GMT -5
Nick, in regards to the leech pattern your running on your setup, do you find that the full black works best, i was dabbling in trying out some purple with a pink head. was also curious to know, are you using eyes + .02 leadwire, or just weighting with eyes due to water depth?
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