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Post by RileyVacinek on Mar 3, 2015 20:55:43 GMT -5
While who knows what is really behind the subsidies or whether they are good or bad they push technology. If alternative energy was unaffordable for the consumer there would be no market and with no market there would be no technological push to make it cheaper. State taxes would be a great place to start if you were looking for cheaper gas
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Post by RileyVacinek on Mar 3, 2015 20:57:34 GMT -5
Ha I didn't even see your post Jules. I see we agree there. Just this year I saw the buffalo bills have a winning season and nick cut his hair. There is a lot of hope for the future.
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Post by RileyVacinek on Mar 3, 2015 21:04:02 GMT -5
Not to get off topic but if we should be lowering the price of anything it should be Internet. The cable companies have established their outdated web and are now taking us for a ride. That would be huge for small and big business alike. Npr science Friday broadcast "For less than $40 a month, residents of Seoul, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Bucharest, and Paris can enjoy lightning-fast Internet download and upload speeds of 1,000 Mbps. Compare that to the U.S., where the same money might buy you a comparably sluggish 15 Mbps/1 Mbps connection. "
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Post by BillWachtel on Mar 4, 2015 10:09:14 GMT -5
Ha I didn't even see your post Jules. I see we agree there. Just this year I saw the buffalo bills have a winning season and nick cut his hair. There is a lot of hope for the future. I guess when the Browns have a winning season hell might freeze over !!!!
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Post by W.Sender on Mar 10, 2015 10:41:46 GMT -5
i'll ask anyone who is pro fracking one question- when has mining not moved into an area, taken what it came for and left a tax payer funded cleanup or ghost town in it's wake? give me one example in the history of mankind where the outcome of mining was any different. fracking is mining. mining only has one outcome, ever. i'll wait for that example... I grew up in Scranton, PA and I've been echoing this sentiment for YEARS!! For my entire father's lifetime (he's in his mid-60s now), with the exception of the last ~8 years, the Lackawanna River has been largely unfishable. Mining run off absolutely destroyed the stream. It took the better part of half of a century, millions of dollars, and countless volunteer man hours to restore the water to something fishable that can once again can support natural reproduction. And you can guess who paid for all the clean up (hint: it wasn't the mining companies). I've lived in PA for the majority of my life. I fished Central PA, border-to-border, for years before fracking and the years after fracking. The area is no better now than it was pre-fracking, honestly it's probably worse. The economic benefits of fracking are largely over exaggerated. Many of the fracking outfits bring in established and trained crews from out of state for operation and hire a few local people as possible. A quick survey of the amount of Wyoming, Oklahoma, and Texas license plates on trucks in any Central PA Walmart parking lot will tell the story. Once the gas is gone, the fracking outfits leave. All the supporting businesses dry up and you're worse off than you were before the fracking started. It's not a real solution to any communities problems. The only think you get is moderately less expensive natural gas, every other promise is vapor.
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Post by byronfishpaw on Mar 18, 2015 21:55:57 GMT -5
The current price of fossil fuels, i.e. gasoline, do not reflect the true cost. If it did gas would be about 6.50 per gallon. Which it should be (or higher) in order to create enough pain to force our ignorant species to stop destroying our habitat. And move to alternatives including renewables. From a paper published by the Union of Concerned Scientists: But some energy costs are not included in consumer utility or gas bills, nor are they paid for by the companies that produce or sell the energy. These include human health problems caused by air pollution from the burning of coal and oil; damage to land from coal mining and to miners from black lung disease; environmental degradation caused by global warming, acid rain, and water pollution; and national security costs, such as protecting foreign sources of oil.
Since such costs are indirect and difficult to determine, they have traditionally remained external to the energy pricing system, and are thus often referred to as externalities. And since the producers and the users of energy do not pay for these costs, society as a whole must pay for them. But this pricing system masks the true costs of fossil fuels and results in damage to human health, the environment, and the economy.Unfortunately, it appears Planet Earth won't be safe until the human species is extinct. Oh and don't be so sure NY has really banned hydrofracking. If you are so inclined you can go to Toxics Targeting web age to sign a letter asking Governor Cuomo to communicate how the Public Health Review conclusion that fracking should be banned will be translated into public policy. toxicstargeting.com/MarcellusShale/alerts/2015-03-14/urgent-shale-fracking-actionCarry on.
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