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Post by Michael Hartman on Nov 8, 2010 17:29:21 GMT -5
yeah that does seem like alot of weight. I imagine if you down size quite a bit you can make it work.
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Post by johnjarosz(jj) on Nov 8, 2010 18:14:00 GMT -5
schoolnympher:...."...but then again what do i know?" that could be the understatement of the year! A guy I work with, who knows you well, told me you know your stuff when it comes to nymphing, so here's my question for you & for anyone else. I originally posted the weighted egg patterns because I don't care that much for using split shot. A couple of weeks ago I was at an LO trib, noticed my unweighted glow bug wasn't going near the bottom (fast current), & so I put on a shot to get it down. I didn't have any bead heads with me. I hooked something big, it took off, & then my line broke. I noticed it broke just about where I had put my split shot, so I figured I had nicked the line, which is why I never cared for using shot. So..how do you get an glo bug, spawn sack, etc. down if it has a tendency to float? I've been using bead heads & they work. They look good, do the job &, most importantly to me, don't nick the line. thanks much & hope to see you on the streams some day! keep up the good posts & nymphing advice...jj
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Post by Michael Hartman on Nov 8, 2010 18:58:27 GMT -5
Theres that putty stuff that you kind of ball up on your line. Ive never used it, but i heard if you back cast it will come off real easy.
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Post by M.Ralph on Nov 8, 2010 18:59:30 GMT -5
JJ: Reading your last post, I have to ask what are you making your egg patterns with and how dense are they tied? When I first started fly fishing I used a lot of egg patterns and did a lot of on water experimenting with different ties. This year, due to my poor results on the swing (a few fish in Late Sept., goose egg for Oct., and one thus far in Nov.) I have started nymphing more frequently. What I have found is the less material you use on the hook shank, the faster the pattern will sink and the more natural looking drift you will get. For glow bugs, try using only one single piece of glo ball yarn and make an egg that is slightly bigger than a real salmon egg tied on a size 12 hook. In my experiences McFly foam is much more buoyant than standard glo ball yarn. For Sucker Spawn, I like angora yarn as this material becomes quite saturated with water and sinks nicely.
For your leader/shot problem, I don't know if you are going to be able to make your egg patterns that heavy to not use shot and still like the results of you drift. My suggestion is to use heavier tippet and/or smaller sized shot (you may need the same amount of weight, just rationed out in smaller amounts). Smaller sized shot tends to "hang-up" less on rocks and such, thus preserving the integrity of the leader material longer. The bead-head idea has worked well for me on occasion, but I always still had to use a little shot. I just used brass beads though, never tried tungsten on egg patterns. I am interested in seeing how this works for you
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Post by Justin Damude on Nov 8, 2010 19:32:49 GMT -5
well i use a little bit of weight and i use line mending to my advantage getts it down quicker
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Post by jimkinner on Nov 8, 2010 20:28:05 GMT -5
Ive used weighted egg patterns for several years. As you mentioned, they allow you to use less shot, and I feel they provide a much better drift in quick water. I use Esteaz eggs where a heavy pattern is desired, wrapping a few turns of thick lead around the shaft to form a ball shape, and wrapping it with the esteaz.
It seems to be about the only pattern I've done well with this fall.
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Post by johnjarosz(jj) on Nov 11, 2010 6:06:52 GMT -5
thanks for all the tips. cryso might have hit it closely, though. Seeing what others are using, my glo bugs tend to be larger & denser. I'm going to try a single piece of yarn & get that size down. I still like to put a small brass bead at the eye. Helps to get it down & with the right mending, it should work OK. I've also tried leaving a longer tag on the end of a surgeon's loop, then attaching the split shot to the tag to keep it off the main tippet. Prob is that the split has a tendency to wrap around the tippet. thanks again & hopefully we'll meet on the water.
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Post by johnjarosz(jj) on Nov 11, 2010 19:28:06 GMT -5
cryso..in Phisherman's "South then North" post, he mentioned that nothing larger than #12 egg worked. The size issue you mentioned is looking more like one of my problems every time I think about it. I usually tie with two half strands on top with about 1/2 strip of yard for a blood dot. I'm going to try the single strands & observe. My second problem is the mending that nympher mentioned, but the only way to work that is to keep on practicing...on the water!! Thanks guys!!..jj
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Post by Michael Hartman on Nov 11, 2010 20:19:41 GMT -5
JJ with places like the dammed streams without using any weight you have to cast pretty far upstream and then make a big mend and it will put enough slack in your line for that moment in time that your egg will eventually sink. I made a couple of eggs with lead wire infront of the egg then wrapped thread over the wire so it makes it look like a head. Maybe ill post one up. But i gotta put it to the test first. Its a small amount. i mean small. i tie my eggs like size 10 and under. so alot of wire will just get it caught on the bottom. but ill let you know man. maybe ill see you out there again/
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Post by estuaryboy on Nov 15, 2010 20:25:06 GMT -5
Ok this is only my first post, I have fished Steel in NY since the early 80's. I love to tie and try new patterns. Take a look at this pattern we used in AK on the Kenai Peninsula in August, and you thought Jerry Garcia was dead! www.danica.com/flytier/jlafevers/bearded_jerry_garcia.htmI tied up two dozen for my trip and shared with the other guys on the trip. They worked on Dolly's and Bows, not as good as the beads the Guides use in AK but I did'nt make those. My ties took fish in deeper fast runs where the AK beads could not get down, I tied in additional weight on some under the chenille, I also tied hot orange ones. If you read the article Jim LaFevers wants this pattern tested on Great Lake Steelhead. Hopefully I'll get to try them next month if I fish GL. Steelhead. I also saw another pattern in AK they called the Bouncer, I exchanged some flies with this fellow and I gave them a try except there were no Coho present for the pattern he gave me. Since coming home I found a website about this tying method........ www.bouncerflies.com/bouncersforalaska.htmlenjoy - Ed "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learned." --Izaak Walton
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