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Aug 24, 2011 20:04:25 GMT -5
Post by johnjarosz(jj) on Aug 24, 2011 20:04:25 GMT -5
I desperately need some help. I've been tying some Bunny Spey varients & keep having trouble tying the mallard collar. I''m picking out the collars with the longest feathers to have it reach toward the hook point. When I tie by the tip & go around the hook shank, instead of pointing toward the rear of the fly, the feathers keep twisting & turning & either splay out all over the place or end up pointing forward (frustrating). I fold the feathers back while wrapping but they still end up looking like a real bad hair day. Any tips to help me out? I've tried cutting the barbs close to the quill a short way up to help it get started but once past that, it gets a mind of its own. Thanks..jj
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Aug 24, 2011 20:38:21 GMT -5
Post by Michael Hartman on Aug 24, 2011 20:38:21 GMT -5
As you tie from the tip of the feather, slowly progress forward on the hook shank and pull the feathers back. Then after that, with your thread, tie down and back the feathers. Im not sure if you understand that, but im trying. It worked for me when i made them. Good luck
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Aug 24, 2011 21:32:18 GMT -5
Post by DaveSiejka on Aug 24, 2011 21:32:18 GMT -5
strip one side of the feather. It will help create a flat area on the feather and when you wrap the feather with the tips pointing towards the rear of the fly, it will force the tips to lay backwards
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Aug 25, 2011 7:30:49 GMT -5
Post by MartyRomeo on Aug 25, 2011 7:30:49 GMT -5
strip one side of the feather. It will help create a flat area on the feather and when you wrap the feather with the tips pointing towards the rear of the fly, it will force the tips to lay backwards Eggs actly. This is what I do.
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Aug 25, 2011 9:12:52 GMT -5
Post by SteveKowalski on Aug 25, 2011 9:12:52 GMT -5
After you tie the stem off, super light wraps of the thread, up onto the stem/feather strands (only a little bit or you get a big long head) then progressively tighter wraps back towards the eye will "direct" the barbs towards the rear. Don't pull hard or you get the spun deer hair effect and will stick out even more. OR just leave it alone, after it is wet in flowing water (river or the sink), they will sweep back and it may even have a fuller looking body which could be good.
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Aug 25, 2011 10:10:47 GMT -5
Post by VERNBURM on Aug 25, 2011 10:10:47 GMT -5
strip one side, you can try notching the stem before wrapping, this usually reduces twisting of the stem, make each wrap in fornt of the other, stroke back fibers after each turn....after secureing the stem after wrapping, do not wrap back onto the hackle with the thread....just leave it be
all good advice above as well
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Aug 28, 2011 17:36:13 GMT -5
Post by johnjarosz(jj) on Aug 28, 2011 17:36:13 GMT -5
Gents..thanks much for the help. I stripped one side like most of you suggested & used light wraps so I don't get the "spun deer-hair look" l did notice one thing though when wrapping schlappen which I think was causing a lot of my problems when I wrapped the mallard. The schlappen stem goes throughout the whole length of the feather (the red feather) and the mallard, because of the long barbs don't. If you look closely, you'll see where the stems go. So, when I trimmed the mallard on top to tie on, I was actually tying on to the top feathers themselves which made it impossible to keep from twisting. I wasn't holding onto anything rigid. Once I started tying on the stem, things worked out the way you guys said. Thanks again...jj
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