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Post by Daniel Liwicki on Oct 20, 2011 13:06:23 GMT -5
Hey all, I have been using semi-rigid plastic colored tubing since I started tyings up tubes. I have always used coneheads or more commonly wrap pretty much every tube that will have a semi-thick body and can cover it up with heavy wire. I also like aluminum.This has worked fine. But for the sake of "the grass is always greenr on the other side" I have noted MANY of the tubes on this site are copper.
I regularly use fast-super super-extra super fast polys. I am wondering what the advanatges of the heavier copper tube are comparted to other metal tubes, is there anything or just that its heavier? Also, how do you displace this weight? Are slower "lighter" tips and polyleaders the game with the heavier copper tube?
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Post by B.Ingersoll on Oct 20, 2011 20:11:07 GMT -5
stumpy,
being a copper tube does not mean it is heavier than your cones on plastic. it could be less, same or more. a rifle reload grain scale, etc. is needed.
your cones may be large trout style brass 6 grains per memory, may be a medium tung. cone = 10 grains, large HMH tube tung = 15g
copper can be single or double wall etc. the most common copper you see here are 1" single wall. they are about 12 grains , spread over that 1". a 6 grain brass cone is much more condensed. condensed weight combined with front of fly placement = fast sink rate. the 6 grain cone sinks just about as fast as the 12 grain copper spread over an inch.
brass is heavier than copper by a little. tungston heavier than brass by quite a bit.
with out a grain scale the easiest way and maybe the best period, is to try a few different. note the sink rate in knee deep water near you, leader on. note if it tips nose first a bit to dive or horizontal in various flows, next to you while fishing.
1" copper is quite cheap, very fast to prep for tie, fast to tie on, the junction tube holds and releases the hook on take second to none and it sinks well though horizontal yet, casts well unlike say good sized tungston cone, last it may be the best for bunny spays/zonkers. the combo is likely why you see them often.
standard 6 grain large trout cones are also damn good and add some movement to the fly, cast great.
remember it's not just the "weight" but, the density (condensed weight) and where it is placed. a tungsten bead as example sinks a fly darn fast yet, weights considerably less than many metal tubes.
mess w) them knee deep water and observe, consider how them swim, tie prep process time, how it casts,,,,,,,,,rather than terminoligy "advantages of heavier" think "sink rate" a two inch long copper tube won't sink as fast as a dense tung cone half it's weight at the fly's front.
the only "advantage of heavier" /// faster sink rate - is getting down into the buckets or heavy flows fast and not having to add mega grains of sink tip into your system to achieve similar with out. the disadvatage is = kills fly swim unless good current - can become un-enjoyable to cast unless you line to tippet set up for very powerful delivery to handle.
in the end does it matter that much? = no, especially when the fish are taking good anyways. it does save you from changeing poly/sink tips a lot as you can adjust with the fly and do it faster. it's also fun to mess with a few different ones from a tying p.o.v. and worth it to help determine what YOU like prefer just like you do tying with say certain hooks,materials or techniques.
i would think you would want to added some copper tubes to your cone head stash. if for nothing else i am sure you will really like them for bunny fly's which need a little extra help getting down anyways.
nick has fished them all and the shop has a excellent selection see what he thinks.
it's fun. tubes remind me of model building as a kid. they darn sure last longer as payback return for the extra prep time,,,,,,and pack light,,,,i have bags & bags now.,,,,,,,,,just tough to kill a tube.
hope this helps a little
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