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Post by Paul K Gerlach on Feb 21, 2012 18:38:18 GMT -5
When tying a streamer, I have a difficult time figuring out which side of the streamer gets the dark color. I tied some Emerald Shiners a while back. When in use, the light side of the shiner was up. As if the shiner was swimming up-side-down (Yes I laughed...) I figure there must be a rule of thumb, somewhere. Figured I would pose the inquiry to the experts... Tied like this, they swam white side up. Thanks
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Post by Justin Damude on Feb 21, 2012 19:16:10 GMT -5
generally the hook point always rides down unless you take steps to orientate it otherwise
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Post by NickConwall on Feb 21, 2012 20:03:27 GMT -5
yeah I dunno why that would ride hook up unless you have added weight on the top of the shank or maybe the thick bunch of hair underneath was more bouyant as it looks to be more tightly packed in there as opposed to the darker hair on top... although I have some streamers that look like that and they ride fine, hook down: maybe the head on that is lopsided or the hair is twisted in such a fashion that causes it to twist over when you strip it in as water passes over it sorta like a mister twister/water screw... fly looks good though
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Post by chris hershey on Feb 21, 2012 20:31:50 GMT -5
In general, white or light color is the belly of the fly. Light on bottom, dark on top...
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Post by Paul K Gerlach on Feb 21, 2012 20:39:34 GMT -5
Thanks much... I think I get it... If the shaft weighs more than the hook, the streamer swims hook up... 'right'?
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Post by chris hershey on Feb 21, 2012 21:33:13 GMT -5
Although I am certainly no expert, I would say it has more to do with where the bulk of the weight is relative to the shank of the hook. The heavier side will usually ride down. So if those eyes are off center, and/or you have more material on the side that the eyes are favoring, the fly will swim heavy side down, as a clouser pattern will. Sometimes it may not look so disproportionate, but it still rides that way once in the water.
The other consideration is the buoyancy of the material you are tying with.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Paul K Gerlach on Feb 21, 2012 22:38:08 GMT -5
Helps a lot.... I am a neophite. Fished most of my life with a bait caster 20 lb test and a broom stick. Been fly fishing for about four years. Any insight is much appreciated.
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Post by Michael Hartman on Feb 23, 2012 1:40:00 GMT -5
I always mess clousers up because i dont know which is which. I end up with green belly'd minnows. If you put eyes on the top of the shank the hook flips over. So when tying the fly the back is on the bottom and the belly is on top. Thats only if theres weight as far as i know. Good luck, its all trail and error.
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Post by SteveKowalski on Feb 23, 2012 11:01:09 GMT -5
"As if the shiner was swimming up-side-down" That's OK you have the injured minnow version - easy for the fish to pick off You probably have more floating bulk on the bottom of the hook - maybe the white is more buoyant than the dark (?) When I build hair streamers, I usually try and use more white and just a little color on top for the back. When you tie in the white, before you tighten the thread wraps, roll the hair so it works itself around the hook shank. Then add more white on top . Then tye in less color than you think you need for the back. This should keep it swimming upright. This was tied that way: there is a body of pearl dubbed flashy shit - angle hair(?) white hair around the shank equal bunches (small amount) of white hair, then gray flash DNA on top lots of flash mixed in the white Hope it helps, Steve
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Post by B.Ingersoll on Feb 25, 2012 12:04:03 GMT -5
what size thread are you using? 3/0? really only need 6/0 or 8/0 for buck tails , nice job on the painted eye's btw ! looks good to me. i see you are stacking the buck tail which looks neat but a quick hand stack, leaving a little taper looks fishy in the water. personally i like the belly buck tail a little shorter than the wing also but, many traditional buck tails for larger species keep both even and also stacked so ......either or. nice job.........love to see painted eyes on buck tails personally. buck tails fish MUCH better than many in modern times think (lack of actual use the culprit i suspect)..........simply.........they look like minnows and swim better than some realize mobility wise. .............they were also founded, popularized in and near to this area/region late 1800's
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