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Post by mike faracca on Jul 19, 2016 9:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by johnbenish on Jul 20, 2016 5:56:27 GMT -5
Thanks for giving the link, Mike. Interesting that Rick and Jerry Kustich's book was cited, I still think that is the best written on the subject, my copy is just about worn out.
Interesting also it took so many people from DEC to write 24 pages ( 3 bibliography). Needed a little editing.
Haven't yet really done in depth reading, but didn't see much about tribal efforts on the reservation to address some of the issues, both enhancing uninterrupted spawning opportunities and regulations ( maybe also negative effects of the gravel mining).
Maybe tax credits for landowners who allow access?
The adopt a stream might work, or a program in which groups who clean up and help maintain stream quality can have special access.
A lot could be improved by having only catch and release be mandatory, no gutted fish for eggs stream side.
Actual enforcement of regulations on Chatauqua might help there, I've seen so many violations there it has made it unpleasant to fish it sometimes.
Cynically what I see coming is a special permit necessary to fish for NY steelhead in tributaries.
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Post by NickConwall on Jul 20, 2016 18:45:06 GMT -5
The DEC needs to start acting like they are protecting something precious, whether it be the woods or the water. Only once in a great while do you actually hear about someone getting seriously bagged by them & actually having it followed through in court. Once they start writing tickets that really bite instead of writing warnings & start confiscating rods, guns, gear, boats, etc. for the more serious offenses the trash that fish our waters & hunt our lands in their selfish/unethical/disruptive/illegal etc., etc.... manner will keep on doing what they do. If you buy a license and cant take the 5 minutes it takes to read the rules & reg's than tough titty.
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Post by Doug Pennyloff on Jul 26, 2016 9:51:11 GMT -5
It is what it is. A put and take fishery. I long suspected the estimates of 25% of the catt fish being wild were a joke, turns out it was. Maybe taking out the dam will help.
If the fish aren't reproducing, might as well let people keep them.
I also find the goal of adding .5 mile of public fishing rights between now and 2025 kind of pathetic.
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Post by djkwiatkowski on Jul 26, 2016 11:54:58 GMT -5
The original estimate on wild steelhead in the Catt/Spooner was closer to 21 % or so. I would guess the original estimate would have changed over the years from what was found in those studies. The odolith study would seem to correct that. I know I participated in the DEC shocking survey for young of the year studies every Septemeber for 3 years. That last estimate goes back to when Floyd Cornellius was the DEC Lake Erie Sr Acquatic Biologist. Volunteers from TU help shock every trib of the Catt below the Springville Dam with the exception of the Rez water. It was amazing to see the large quantities of young of the year in a majority of those tribs..and we shocked water way up the drainage in some areas. They even surveyed other tribs of Lake Erie. The Catt, mainly Spooner Creek had the largest population of young of the year. Why do you think Spooner Creek has Special Reg's?
As for adding PFR...thats about paying a land owner for a 100 yr easement. If you know anyone who will sign on the dotted line call up the DEC and they will put someone in contact with the landowner..
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Post by johnjarosz(jj) on Jul 26, 2016 16:26:53 GMT -5
Will the landowner get paid for the easement or do they expect the landowners to do this out of the goodness of their hearts?
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Post by Doug Pennyloff on Jul 27, 2016 9:28:31 GMT -5
Will the landowner get paid for the easement or do they expect the landowners to do this out of the goodness of their hearts? They pay for the easement of course. The DEC has public fishing rights on so many mediocre streams, most of which absolutely nobody fishes. While I am glad they have them, part of me wishes they could get rid of those and increase the amount they are willing to pay for someplace like the catt in zoar valley. Obviously that one scumbag who charges to fish it has a price, just need to meet it. I also wonder how much money is wasted on stocking streams that no one fishes. Does anybody actually fish 5 five creek for example? |
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