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Post by byronfishpaw on Jul 28, 2014 22:49:33 GMT -5
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Post by Doug Pennyloff on Jul 29, 2014 9:30:04 GMT -5
linkmust have been the result of my angry typing What exactly are you so angry about?
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Post by joemecca on Jul 29, 2014 11:19:11 GMT -5
I don't know why the link is directing back to the board. It should go to the first link byron fishpaw posted.
"Concerns the lamprey could get into the upper creek watershed are unfounded, Ruby said. In the summer they’re in the lower creek and their biology make it nearly impossible for them to establish a sustainable population on the other side of the dam, Ruby said."
“For thousands of years, these fish have come in from the lake up the tributaries and 100 years ago they were stopped from doing that,” Hintz said.
It bothers me that the people that are supposed to be the experts and get paid a ton of money have no clue what they are talking about or what they are involved in. How is it that a project manager and a biologist from the USACE know little to nothing about the life cycle or spawning habitat of the sea lamprey? Or that steelhead aren't native to the watershed and have not been in the ecosystem for "thousands" of years.
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Post by Doug Pennyloff on Jul 29, 2014 11:38:33 GMT -5
I don't know why the link is directing back to the board. It should go to the first link byron fishpaw posted. "Concerns the lamprey could get into the upper creek watershed are unfounded, Ruby said. In the summer they’re in the lower creek and their biology make it nearly impossible for them to establish a sustainable population on the other side of the dam, Ruby said." “For thousands of years, these fish have come in from the lake up the tributaries and 100 years ago they were stopped from doing that,” Hintz said. It bothers me that the people that are supposed to be the experts and get paid a ton of money have no clue what they are talking about or what they are involved in. How is it that a project manager and a biologist from the USACE know little to nothing about the life cycle or spawning habitat of the sea lamprey? Or that steelhead aren't native to the watershed and have not been in the ecosystem for "thousands" of years. I don't think his quote is referring specifically to steelhead. While that is what most people on this board are probably interested in, the project isn't being proposed just for steelhead.
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Post by byronfishpaw on Jul 29, 2014 21:38:37 GMT -5
Right, project is not just about Steelhead. Ruby made that clear at the meeting. But the Steelhead become the focus and are exactly what the angler pressure on this is about.
We have an outstanding inland fishery that includes reproducing Rainbows and Browns as well as native Brook Trout. This is definitely worth protecting. So before any lake fish get access above the dam the DEC needs to establish a plan to protect this wild / natural producing native (Brookies) fishery. They need to pay attention to their own study and report. They know how to protect the fishery. To date the DEC has not committed to protecting the upstream fishery. Until they do I can't support any fish ladder or other passageway.
By the way, the local biologists at the meeting stated the tribs on the lower Catt are prime spawning grounds for lamprey and the high quality water up top would be same.
The USACE is not focused on protected our fishery. Its ours to protect or loose.
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Post by joemecca on Jul 29, 2014 22:07:33 GMT -5
what other fish species would use the fish passage? other than the salmonids, what would be physically capable of using it? for the passage to be lamprey prohibitive, it would involve steep drops and lipped edges.most of the other lake run species rarely make it past gowanda.
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Post by Doug Pennyloff on Jul 30, 2014 10:12:02 GMT -5
what other fish species would use the fish passage? other than the salmonids, what would be physically capable of using it? for the passage to be lamprey prohibitive, it would involve steep drops and lipped edges.most of the other lake run species rarely make it past gowanda. Per the report, the fish in the lamprey trap would be manually sorted and passed. So it sounds like any fish that happens to be in the vicinity of springville dam (suckers, minnow species, smallmouth ect) would be able to pass.
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Post by byronfishpaw on Jul 30, 2014 19:18:16 GMT -5
Doug, last I knew the USACE had four options they were considering to address the dam. Did they actually decide on one?
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Post by RileyVacinek on May 19, 2015 14:57:06 GMT -5
Going to revive this one. Any movement on this topic? Last I knew the discussion meeting was delayed due to bad weather way back.
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Post by RileyVacinek on Jun 11, 2015 11:50:58 GMT -5
Bumpity bump bump.
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