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Post by mikereynolds on Sept 17, 2015 14:01:47 GMT -5
Doesn't make sense to me either. I doubt they are getting a few hundred thousand dollars worth of gravel though. To simplify things, I'd guess they can sell the gravel (without haul) for no more than 8 bucks per ton. Each truck there holds about 30 tons. One ton of gravel is roughly 1.5 cy. About 8,100 cy is $100k. Assuming they are digging 10' deep, they'd have to dig approx. 100' length x 220'width x 10'depth to get $100k. Are they really digging this much?
I'm not defending them, and haven't seen it in person, but just want to put it in perspective.
I may end up checking it out this weekend.
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Post by Chad Stevens on Sept 17, 2015 14:10:22 GMT -5
Doesn't make sense to me either. I doubt they are getting a few hundred thousand dollars worth of gravel though. To simplify things, I'd guess they can sell the gravel (without haul) for no more than 8 bucks per ton. Each truck there holds about 30 tons. One ton of gravel is roughly 1.5 cy. About 8,100 cy is $100k. Assuming they are digging 10' deep, they'd have to dig approx. 100' length x 220'width x 10'depth to get $100k. Are they really digging this much? I'm not defending them, and haven't seen it in person, but just want to put it in perspective. I may end up checking it out this weekend. You had to see those piles (also known as mountains). I'm sure they're much bigger today, and they might have even started new ones. I should have taken pictures, not sure why I didn't. I mean, it's not like we sat on our tailgates and drank IPA's and ate venison summer sausage right next to where they were working.... I did snap this earlier in the day though:
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Post by mikereynolds on Sept 17, 2015 14:19:42 GMT -5
Got ya. What a shame.
Chances are good I will be out there this weekend. I'll have to drive by and check it out.
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Post by Chad Stevens on Sept 17, 2015 14:34:30 GMT -5
I couldn't believe how many guys were out yesterday. At first light on a Wednesday, before the run really even started, every parking spot had cars in it.
I can't wait until they get in heavy and spread out upstream
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Post by johnbenish on Sept 17, 2015 19:19:08 GMT -5
Didn't see any cars parked today, one guy came up at Gowanda. Isn't there still a 7am regulation? I'll bet that a lot of fish encounter the water downstream from the gravel mining and turn back to the lake. I saw the usgs chart and that must be at Gowanda, since the water was not very clear. I wonder what the impact on the wild fish will be. A shame, since there really seems to be an effort to increase spawning chances for wild fish. Maybe there will be a significant decrease in people getting the res license due to water conditions affecting the fishing, though I would guess that the money that the gravel mining will yield will probably be greater than money to be gotten from res licenses. If they are indeed using equipment in the creek itself there is going to be a mess. I also noticed that the access road for Sulfur Springs looked really overgrown, hiking in should be ok, but that may keep out a few people.
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Post by Chad Stevens on Sept 17, 2015 19:45:47 GMT -5
Didn't see any cars parked today, one guy came up at Gowanda. I counted at least 20 guys on Wednesday. I saw the usgs chart and that must be at Gowanda, since the water was not very clear. The gauge is in Gowanda. The mining is downstream of there, but you're right, it isn't very clear in Gowanda either. Makes me wonder if something else is going on upstream. At 202 CFS the water should not be turbid. It's flowing at 164 right now, but I didn't see the water today. If they are indeed using equipment in the creek itself there is going to be a mess. They are definitely plunging that massive bucket right into the creek.
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Post by johnbenish on Sept 18, 2015 4:13:54 GMT -5
I hadn't checked the flow charts for a couple of days. Hard to believe that the flow was so low, at BD it looked as if the water was pretty deep and ripping right along, but since I couldn't drop down I couldn't verify. There was a lot of silt at Gowanda, but there always has been. Planning on getting out this weekend, I'll try to get a closer look at some of the places.
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Post by mike faracca on Sept 27, 2015 12:18:27 GMT -5
it was with very low expectations that I ventured out yesterday morn. i hit 2 spots on the lower rez, only a couple of guys on each of the runs. by no means was it overcrowded, in fact i had each run to myself for a portion of the time. I was spey casting/swinging a fly i had zero touches all morning, nor did I see any fish caught. One pinner had one hookup but lost it.
The water was what I'll call a 'chalky green'. about 2-3' of viz, totally fishable.
I had heard reports from passers-by about those catching a jack here or there. also from those as high up as versailles, and that there was nothing there as of yet either.
i think we all know that the calendar tells us that we should be in full swing but the conditions tell us different. it will be (already is?) a late start this season.
in either case, i got for casting practice, still filled with the anticipation of that first tug of the year and smoked a couple of fine cigars that I had been saving for this day.
i enjoyed the hell out of it.
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Post by mikereynolds on Oct 12, 2015 11:18:10 GMT -5
I drove by yesterday morning. The river was much different than the last time I was there which was 3 weeks ago.
The stockpiles were still there, but I didn't see any equipment (excavators, dozers, off road dumps, etc.)
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Post by jeffraz on Oct 12, 2015 12:56:48 GMT -5
I heard that they will be done in two weeks (let us pray).
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